Campaign 2006: The VDB Interview with Mark Shepard

by Philip Baruth  |  April 13th, 2006

Excerpts and a link

Republican Mark Shepard is a two-term State Senator from Bennington, and when he officially announced his candidacy in early January, alarm bells went off in Republican strategy rooms across the state.

Shepard and I met at Libby’s Blue Line Diner, an old-school silver model perched up on a little corporate switchback in Winooski. And I came to the breakfast with a pretty light spirit: the State Republican Party had recently snubbed Shepard by directing the national committees to funnel money only to Rainville — an unprecedented move — and I thought he and I could at least agree on tweaking the Republican leadership.

And we did.

But something else happened that took the conversation in a suddenly queasy direction: Shepard began to lay out views on gay rights that I found increasingly difficult to process over an English muffin and soft-boiled eggs.

SFC Editorial Note: As you read the conversation below, you will note that it was Baruth who turned the conversation to gay marriage.  Instead of disrespectfully dodging the issue, as many candidates do, Shepard respectfully and honestly discussed the subject with Baruth.  Baruth’s struggle talking about the very subject he brought up indicates that he never expected an honest discussion. But then again, this was his first interview with Shepard, who is well-known for engaging in honest and respectful discussions of the issues, even with the press.

And like it or not, I found myself pulled into the sort of gut-wrenching conversation on social issues that most of us in America have tried assiduously to avoid since our country became so sharply polarized.

SFC Editorial Note: Baruth’s editorializing comments tell more than even the interview.  This was likely Baruth’s first conversation with someone who actually dared question one of his extreme-left viewpoints.  Indeed it is quite hard to imagine that a person who claims to be at the forefront of public thought in Vermont, having never considered how redefining marriage to include gay relationships might also broaden marriage to other groups.  As you will read in the dialog below, Baruth struggle to answer what seemed like a relatively simple and even obvious question led him to conclude the interview defending polygamy. 

Baruth’s own limited exposure to and understanding of people who do not embrace his narrowly-held beliefs clearly short-circuits his ability to report conversations with people who see things differently, without also adding unrelated nonsensical comments.  Perhaps this is his way of copping with reality on the rare occasions he runs into it.

If anyone out there is still confused about the difference between a journalist and a political blogger, the difference is this: at a certain point, I could no longer let the tape recorder do the work. I had to put down my bacon, and pick up my beliefs, such as they are.

Which makes for a bad breakfast, unfortunately.

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VDB: So, first things first, what would you say — if you had to be 100% honest — is your favorite political blog?

Shepard: Well, I don’t spend much time looking at political blogs, to be honest with you.

VDB: Would you say Vermont Daily Briefing?

Shepard: [Getting the joke] Yeah, I guess it would have to be. [Laughing] Really, I haven’t spent a lot of time looking around at the blogs.

VDB: Yeah. Bloggers are kind of in a world of their own. A little echo chamber. There’s always this illusion that they’re being read, but clearly no.

Shepard: … I want to be accessible to people. You and I, you know, we had an honest, frank discussion.

VDB: It was pretty frank.

Shepard: That’s the way it should be. …

[After we shook hands in the parking lot and headed to our cars, I realized what had been at the edge of my consciousness during breakfast: Mark Shepard’s name is about as close to the name “Matthew Shepard” as you can get without actually being named Matthew Shepard.

Earlier in the week I’d been talking with a friend in a same-sex relationship who was about to move from Vermont to Wyoming, to a town near where Matthew Shepard was murdered. My friend was excited, and he was worried — for himself, for his partner, for their relationship.

He was worried, in short, about being killed.

Maybe that was why I’d felt especially troubled during and after my talk with a man who wants to be Vermont’s next Congressman, the replacement for Bernie Sanders. Because for all of his pleasant demeanor and entrepreneurial savvy, Shepard strikes me as Vermont’s version of Rick Santorum: ambitious, well-spoken, and more than just a little disturbing when you take the time to really listen to what he has to say.]

 

SFC Editorial Note: To help put Baruth’s closing remarks in context, consider if Mark Shepard had made the following remark, which makes about the same sense as Baruth’s final remark above – but with the tables turned. 

[After we shook hands in the parking lot and headed to our cars, I realized what had been at the edge of my consciousness during breakfast: Philip Baruth’s name is about as close to the name “Philip Morris” as you can get without actually being named Philip Morris.

My mother-in-law died of cancer from smoking and so neither I nor my children ever got to meet her.  

We are all concerned about others being killed by tobacco products.

Maybe that was why I’d felt especially troubled during and after my talk with a man who wants to be a new source for information, the replacement to the print media. Because for all of his pleasant demeanor and desire to help people understand politics, Baruth strikes me as Vermont’s version of Dan Rather: ambitious, agenda driven, don’t let the facts get in the way of the news, and more than just a little disturbing when you take time to discover that such a simple little question would completely throw him off.]

 

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"... many politicians talk the talk about doing something tangible about new jobs and it doesn't go much further. Sen. Shepard walked the walk."
"Sen. Shepard's big accomplishment, and it is a significant one, lies in the major role he played in bringing the Bennington Microtech Center into being."

Bennington Banner State Senator Endorsement Editorial, October 29, 2004

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